[13:57] OMG! it's all actually working... ;) cool [13:57] nice [13:58] I think you OD'd on BBQ in Raleigh [13:58] Dry rub baby! [13:59] lol [13:59] That always gets you [14:00] Maybe I should call in [14:00] oh, somebody's bbq'ing in my street now... *homer simpson drool* [14:00] makes sense [14:02] that's awesome [14:03] if they don't take it down, it'll go down anyway [14:03] Twitter was hosed this week during their last game [14:03] good thing the US won't score a goal :P [14:03] haha [14:03] 2-1 [14:03] US [14:04] who's the typing bandito? :) [14:04] 2-1 US sounds right to me too... They've got a really good chance against Ghanna... [14:04] OK I'm in the call now. It didn't take the first time [14:04] there chances get really slim after this round [14:04] I like Puggio for a twitter client [14:05] I still haven't found anything better than Tweetdeck [14:05] had to be cheap [14:05] Yeah we can do a weekly call if you want. [14:05] they hadn't updated since April and then an acquisition [14:05] cheap is right! [14:05] nice [14:05] ouch [14:06] here too [14:07] <@WPWeekly> hello nacin [14:07] Hi Jeff. trying to call in, it rejected the pin. [14:08] <@WPWeekly> your pin should be your phone number [14:08] <@WPWeekly> or whatever you set it to [14:08] <@WPWeekly> if all else fails you can select the option to call in as a guest [14:08] dremeda I like Tweetdeck too, it's better for "real-time" tweeting, but pluggio is better for finding/following and mangaing RSS feeds you retweet and scheduling tweets... [14:09] I'm in. [14:09] <@WPWeekly> connecticut? [14:09] JB510: I hear ya [14:09] Aye. [14:09] heya nacin :) [14:10] lol [14:10] hey dremeda' [14:12] doooo it [14:12] Ack I've been muted [14:12] there's a random lady muting me dang it :) [14:13] Recorded Liiiiiiive [14:13] And my job is done for another episode ;) [14:13] lol [14:13] good job [14:14] Oh no now theres a "NEO Joomla! Group" up here [14:14] ooo that's slick [14:16] Best of luck to you all Jeffro [14:16] ! [14:16] I'm going to to for Chinese food after. [14:16] Oh yea, you'll get lots of ideas just driving through other neighborhoods. [14:16] heh only geeks talk about "implementing" home improvements [14:17] lol...yep! [14:17] Thing Labs [14:17] Thing Labs [14:18] cheap [14:18] Sunday Sunday Sunday [14:18] get your writers block cleared here at huge factory discounts [14:18] What are we going to day Pinky? [14:19] http://wpdevel.wordpress.com/2010/06/24/hiatus/ [14:19] Same thing we do everyday. Use WordPress to take over the world! [14:19] http://wordpress.org/support/topic/415075 [14:20] Is there a section in there for taking care of the WP 3.0 kitteh? [14:22] HA [14:22] US 2-1! [14:22] lol [14:22] brainlayman :) :) :) [14:22] 8 minutes [14:22] I'll keep you posted [14:22] excellent [14:23] sacariidge... this is what multitasking was invited for... I got twitter, I got the TV, I got WPWeekly... I'm about to explode [14:23] give it time, WordPress DC will be a reality :P [14:23] lol [14:23] TV was meant to convey WorldCup [14:23] JB510: I see you working it here :) [14:23] me too [14:23] pumped up [14:24] <@WPWeekly> lol [14:24] <@WPWeekly> wordpress dc [14:24] because Andrew writes like 100 patches a day [14:24] There are only three sporting events I EVER watch: Olypmpics, World Cup and Tour De France... that's it... EVER... [14:24] oh, I'm an NFL nut [14:25] college football rocks too [14:25] alright all WP talk for me from now on... now my WC noise... [14:25] lol [14:25] Dude... Bill Clinton is at WC... [14:26] yaj [14:26] yah [14:26] been at two games [14:26] ditto, I've tried too many times, cannot code properly [14:26] Jeff you're not alone, I am not talented at anything, I am just passionately curious :) [14:26] Learning code from a non-coding background is different than learning a new langauge [14:26] very true [14:27] I'm a jack of some trades, master of none [14:27] a LOT of people come to PHP with no coding background... the world needs more resources for those people [14:27] It depends on which languages [14:27] good foundation [14:27] yeah eventially you just "feel" the way the new language will work [14:27] I stepped out of coding for 15 years... it's been a struggle get back into it, but it's coming [14:28] haha, Nacin you've committed what 5.2million patches now? :) [14:28] And a lot of the same architects write the languages. For instance Borland Delphi people could just step into .net development because MS had hired the designer of Delphi do to all of the .net dev work [14:28] Ha! [14:28] ninja [14:29] yup [14:29] He IS everywhere [14:29] +10 [14:29] he doesnt sleep [14:30] in 17 places at once [14:30] Sir that's physically impossible [14:30] :) [14:31] I wish I could do stuff [14:31] true that [14:31] hehe [14:31] good question [14:32] oh wow You missed many of the BIG security changes [14:32] after 2.8 yah [14:33] I think it is getting better and the wp.org overhaul will help these efforts infinitely! [14:33] <@WPWeekly> you guys have any questions you want me to ask nacin lol [14:34] does he plan to speak at any upcoming WordCamps? [14:35] he's speaking at WC Philly! [14:35] Should people be working on trac tickets right now? Or should we wait till the new projects are divided up? [14:35] frack Ghana scored [14:35] wow that sucks [14:35] yup [14:35] :( [14:35] good for them [14:36] howard was slow [14:36] 3.0 is really a developer release imo [14:36] howard looked really slow [14:36] bad angle [14:37] I wasn't too excited about menus, but argued that we should push to keep them in 3.0. Now that we have them, they are WONDERFUL. [14:37] us came back against england :) [14:37] menus weren't really exciting to me either... there are so many OTHER ways to do it [14:38] they still get a bit difficult to deal with when creating deep, elaborate menus. [14:38] Multisite was the big one for me for the 3.0 release. So many doors opened up for current/future projects with the availability of multisite in WP 3.0. [14:38] MU is more exciting... as would be a BP plugin [14:38] BP theming is a mess [14:38] lol [14:39] I think the progression has been brilliant 3.0 is super sexy [14:40] agreed 3.0 is awesome... to be clear menus are great, just not something I'm "excited" about. [14:40] custom post types are getting super cool [14:40] they are for regular users IMO [14:40] It feels strange but works well [14:41] I think regularly users would/are served better by flexible banner/background uploading [14:41] I also am dying for better media library mangement (I need folders) [14:41] Good summary [14:41] lol [14:41] Jeff [14:41] hehe [14:41] WordPress HGH [14:42] batch plug-in updates are cool :) [14:42] yup [14:43] I understand what Andrew is saying but I still like this look for menus - http://twitpic.com/1tqa38 [14:44] I'm still gonna find a way to break my sites [14:45] That's Mark Jaquith code [14:45] The danger is always that you are telling people to develop on a live site, whereas it is always dangerous to develop that way. [14:45] jacobsantos_, true [14:46] There are only a handful of plugins that I use that I have not modified in some form/fashion. [14:46] Yes, but do you modify them locally and then upload or do you modify them on the live server? [14:46] jacobsantos_: +1 [14:47] I'm a total wp noob, and even I have ripped my plugins to shreds and glued them back together [14:47] That is not the point of the discussion. [14:47] The point is where you should be developing and not that you are making revisions. [14:47] For major changes, I do it locally and FTP up. If it's a minor (1-2 line change), I'll do it locally but also make the change via the editor. [14:47] yeah! miss code press [14:47] although frankly I rarely used it [14:48] the file list in the editors needs some love [14:48] Yes, I loved Codepress! [14:48] CODA rocks [14:48] I've never used the built-in editor [14:48] SVN is too advanced for the masses [14:48] Not really. [14:48] SVN really isn't that difficult. [14:48] SVN is easier than FTP once you get past the learning curve. [14:48] been trying to figure out SVN and GIT for wordpress... haven't yet... getting there [14:49] I've set up SVN to where I never have to FTP any file. [14:49] I've been using CSSEdit to edit style sheets and templates live lately [14:49] Once I merge to the "stable" branch, then it goes live. [14:49] thats because you're a very advanced user [14:49] I'd like to get rid of the TinyMCE editor. I will never use it and it's wasted space on my server. [14:49] It isn't too advanced. [14:49] I could agree with that, it could make a safer default system. [14:49] my point was the masses will not adopt it because of the learning curve [14:49] Most of what I use I found online. [14:49] is there any advantage to git if your a solo developer? trying to decided if I should focus on figuring out SVN or GIT? [14:49] That and shared hosts do not allow for it. [14:49] for sure [14:50] but people will not take the time to do that [14:50] JB510: I'm actually loving GIT> [14:50] dremeda: Yes, and they will cry everytime FTP abuses them. [14:50] people still use FTP vs SFTP which is not good, and its because they dont take the time, even though the resources are online to learn. [14:50] for sure [14:50] totally agree [14:51] My team jokes about the abuse from Subversion, but they all agree that using FTP is not an option. [14:51] what about WebDAV vs S/FTP? [14:51] Well that's kinda neat [14:51] GIT I believe is takes away from a lot of the abuse from SVN. [14:51] I think he is using "ftp" as a generic term atm [14:51] WebDAV is a basic SVN. [14:51] what is SVN abuse? too many branches? [14:51] No, conflicts from merges. [14:51] Reintegration problems. [14:51] Using svn instead of GIT [14:52] thanks jacobsantos, that makes sense actually... I just looked at WebDav fo the first time a week ago [14:52] Stuff that would be solved by making smaller commits, updating and updating again. [14:52] I mean a lot of the problems would be solved using GIT. [14:52] WebDAV is much faster/more efficeient than FTP is that right? [14:52] SVN is HOOOORIBLE for merges. I still use it daily but it hurts when I want to merge two tracks [14:52] No. [14:53] WebDAV has a greater overhead and I believe I was wrong when I said it was SVN lite. [14:53] eh [14:53] I don't believe WebDAV has as intelligent a merge and conflict system. [14:53] And now we need to entertain our selves [14:53] Talk to us Mr. Nacin! [14:53] sing us a song [14:53] :P [14:53] lol [14:53] jacob it doesn't but I think it works more as a sync tool [14:53] lol [14:53] score us a goal [14:53] hello? lost audio? [14:54] It will basically tell you that a change has occurred and force you to update, but won't do at all what SVN does. [14:54] at least put on some muzak [14:54] I'm doing well! [14:54] since you're everywhere anyway, get the ball in the goal :) [14:54] Yeah, it has been a while since I've looked at WebDAV. [14:54] and Nacin scores the first US goal [14:54] w00t [14:54] To pull someone's question from earlier - will you be speaking at any upcoming WordCamps? [14:54] Should people be working on trac tickets right now? Or should we wait till the new projects are divided up? [14:54] i can get to that [14:55] why is there a plugins_url() but not plugins_dir()? [14:55] canonical [14:55] :) [14:55] I've gotten into GIT a few days ago, and the only problem I have that there isn't a real ToistiseSVN clone for Windows. [14:55] jacobsantos_, very true [14:55] TortoiseHG? [14:55] That and I don't think there is a real hook system that SVN has. [14:56] There is a tortois version but it isn't very complex as I understand it [14:56] TortoiseGIT* [14:56] I would want to have a setup like now where the site is updated. [14:56] However, that creates some problems with how GIT works. [14:57] bah ctrl-w on wrong active window [14:57] But then again, I updating the site should really be a manual pull process, if proper guidelines and recommendations are followed. [14:57] And it could be automated by a script regardless. [14:57] <@WPWeekly> any questions for andrew lets try and stump him lol [14:58] :) [14:58] San Diego? [14:58] 2011 [14:58] Where is home? Any plans for late march? [14:58] Cool - I'm going to try and make it to WordCamp MidAtlantic this year. [14:58] Philly!!! [14:58] lol...Brian you read my mind. ;) [14:59] San Diego [15:00] Less is more FTW. More is less WTF. [15:00] Less WTF is more FTW. [15:00] ++ [15:00] FML [15:00] :) [15:00] I got close. lol [15:01] RT @nacin: "More FTW, less WTF." Lessons on abstraction by @mitchoyoshitaka. #wcsf [15:01] Nice find! [15:02] GOOD advice. [15:03] the editors should be a core plugin [15:05] Stepping out for a business call. May be back. [15:05] http://wpblogger.com/matt-should-resign.php interesting post asking for Matt's resignation. [15:05] +1 [15:06] lol is that on what he is saying or your link :) [15:06] I take anything that is said there with a grain of salt. Too much of it has been more incendiary than informative. [15:06] +1 on the website [15:06] website revision [15:06] wp.org [15:06] lol [15:06] kimparsell: I couldnt agree more, hence my comments on that post [15:07] completely incendiary [15:07] the post was [15:07] Jeff is right! [15:08] Can you choose that a menu-item is shown only to specific userlevels in the new menu.editor? [15:08] It needs a lot of TLC Jeff! [15:08] nope people go to individual sites [15:08] Back. Call was delayed. [15:09] Thanks Jeff [15:09] I think Mozilla has done this well [15:09] WP needs to copy Mozilla and Ubuntu more [15:10] Who was the third gunman on the grassy knoll? [15:10] Ubuntu development cycles... Mozilla documentation [15:10] lol @ dremeda [15:10] :) [15:11] trac /= git [15:11] git vs svn [15:12] yup [15:12] magic wand [15:12] It would be hard to swap with all of the tools that are svn dependent [15:12] trac + svn = good to go [15:13] ditto = trac + svn/git [15:13] Need to pull a Boortz and limit the "you knows" [15:13] TracGit would be cool the name even works when read quickly [15:13] He gives you 3 and hten you're gone. [15:13] ditto to trac + svn or trac + git (does that make mroe sense) [15:13] Tragic? [15:13] LOL [15:13] <@WPWeekly> http://core.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/14096 [15:13] ha [15:14] Question: has there ever been talk of adding a visual statment if a theme/plugin that is installed is not GPL? [15:14] oohh good question Brad [15:14] What would be the goal for that? [15:14] to piss off anyone not using GPL [15:14] lol [15:15] 3.0 is a lot bigger although great work went into reducing its size while in RC [15:16] Adding this to wp-config.php helps: define('WP_MEMORY_LIMIT', '64M'); [15:17] get your own VPS or dedicated :) [15:18] Someone's personal blog shouldn't require a VPS. It needs to be able to run on decent shared hosting. [15:19] Unless their personal blog is EXTREMELY popular; then they need to consider getting a VPS. [15:20] lol [15:20] Andrew, awesome interview. Truly enjoyed it. :) [15:20] Score? [15:20] great discussion! [15:20] TY [15:20] 1-0 [15:20] not US [15:20] I never know how to referecen WPMS [15:20] US 0 : 1 Ghanna [15:20] 0-1 [15:20] Good job Andrew [15:21] I was thinking about making a Facebook Graph API in PHP. [15:21] Using the HTTP API in WordPress. [15:21] This was an EXCELLENT episode [15:21] nice goal from Ghanna [15:21] Less Rants FTW :) [15:21] not really [15:22] sloppy goaly play [15:22] bad angle and slow to the corner [15:22] outlaw GPL talk! ;-) [15:22] definitely a cool episode [15:22] LOL [15:22] howard was slow, but it was a nice direction change before shooting... shooter earned his goal [15:22] there should be a GPLweekly podcast [15:22] for sure, he did work through the D nicely [15:23] http://www.andrewnacin.com/ [15:23] http://twitter.com/nacin [15:23] great talk, thanks Jeff & thanks Andrew [15:23] Thanks all [15:23] Any more questions? :-) [15:23] Nice to hear your voice [15:23] wait? there wasn't nearly enough GPL talk this episode... let add 30 more minutes :/ [15:23] nice interview nacin [15:24] booya! [15:24] enjoy the grub [15:24] cheers all. [15:24] great show! :) [15:24] great show. Thank you all again [15:24] nice to be back listening live [15:25] I'm going to eat. [15:25] embrace the geek love [15:25] lol [15:25] You still on the call Andew? [15:26] I can get back on [15:26] Ask Jeff if he is high? [15:26] The barrier of entry is actually finding the love for the patches. [15:26] I dont see the cost benefit in changing [15:26] Doesn't matter which tool you use. [15:26] I think the risk outweighs the reward [15:26] I would tend to agree with the previous four statements. [15:26] <@WPWeekly> get back on adrew [15:26] <@WPWeekly> lol [15:26] Actually, I talked to someone and tried to send a patch upstream to the guy behind DMZ. [15:27] Trac could have a more friendly UI (I know it's that same everywhere, just saying) [15:27] he's breakdancing with his headset on [15:27] headspins while chatting [15:27] thats gangster [15:27] jacob needs to pony up for a new mic [15:27] lol [15:27] maybe he's calling in with an iphone 4 [15:27] lol [15:27] or a lapel mic being dragged across our shirt? [15:27] you're holding it wrong [15:28] I'm back on the line for a bit. [15:28] lol @WDS-Brad [15:28] WDS-Brad: haha [15:28] What did he say? [15:28] nacin, what's the proper way to reference WPMS? WordPress Multi-Site, WPMS, Networking, etc [15:29] Finding the guys email was difficult and then discussing why the patch was required was even more diffiuclt. [15:29] that's what the chatroom is for :P [15:29] http://wpdevel.wordpress.com/2010/06/24/hiatus/ [15:29] http://wordpress.org/support/topic/415075 [15:30] gonna be awesome [15:30] UI [15:31] some of that static is cosmic background radiation [15:32] lol [15:32] Fine, I guess if I'm going to talk more, I'll get a noise cancellation mic. [15:32] me loves my GPL [15:32] plantronics head set [15:33] AARRRghhh... so close #worldcup [15:33] we seem stronger on the offensive in the 2nd. [15:33] I noticed that Elegant Themes is dual licensed [15:33] and press75 I believe [15:34] They want to have their cake and eat it too. Doesn't work that way. [15:35] nope, so "gpl cake" on google images :( [15:35] *no [15:35] Mmmmm cake [15:35] Yes, Jason Schuller dual-licensed his themes several weeks ago. [15:35] No, you should look for a cake image that is GPLv2 [15:35] But you aren't going to find one. [15:35] the cake is a lie [15:36] It would have to be either permissive license, like Creative commons or public domain. [15:36] Hmmm, guess I need to take a pic of a cake at the local bakery and release it under GPL so everyone can use it. [15:36] mmmm fat pills [15:36] Actually, there is or was a youtube video where the cake was not a lie. [15:36] <@WPWeekly> the GPL went down to georgia :P [15:36]