Displaying 31 To 60 Of 102 Comments Which OpenCamp WordPress Presentation Do You Want To Hear? Clarks Pods CMS here too and Pratts BuddyPress. » Posted By Andreas Nurbo On August 16, 2010 @ 4:02 AM The Future Of bbPress Lies Within WordPress About mini bbPress. On some sites I’ve been to certain blog post gets a thread in the forum for more in depth discussions. That would be a nice feature. Perhaps a combo of sorts. » Posted By Andreas Nurbo On July 25, 2010 @ 5:38 PM Thesis Goes Split Licensed – Hell Freezes Over @Jon Brown - This isn’t public space. There no 1st amendment here. There is no Fairness Doctrine here. We are all here voluntarily and are graciously allowed by Jeff to express our varied opinions. alongside his.
We are here because we like WPTavern and Jeff. We want to see it get better. We will express concern when it takes a turn for the worst. Better to voice concern the first time than not say anything and leave x posts later.
Further, I think Jeff is right to voice whatever opinions he feels are in the best interest of the community and I think that is exactly what he does. And don’t think this has anything to with making the community better.
The whole idea that somehow he needs to be an impartial moderator is ridiculous. No need to a moderator. Try to be impartial in the relaying and commenting of news. Yes. Be impartial in a weekly editorial on what he thinks about stuff? No =). Its a great place and I want it to get better and Jeff to make more money.
Anyone that has paid attention to Jeff for any length of time know what a evangelist for WordPress, I fully expect him in that role to express himself. No one has said otherwise. But sometime it gets a little more of evangelizing Matt than WordPress =). Compare this post with “Automatically Correcting The WordPress Mistake”. That one was really good in relaying the history, the issue etc and have well mannered editorial comment. Thats the way to do it =). » Posted By Andreas Nurbo On July 25, 2010 @ 6:42 AM @Justin Tadlock -
Speaking out against the core team’s decisions doesn’t make you an outcast or anything like that in the community. Probably depends on the decisions in question as with the whole GPL debacle =). And if you have any popularity to begin with. » Posted By Andreas Nurbo On July 24, 2010 @ 4:22 PM @Jon Brown - Quite the contrary it changes a lot. See the thing is if I customize Thesis as part of a project for a client I was in violation of their license. If I wrote a plug-in for thesis that called thesis functions I was in violation of their license. Thats just a bad ToS for a theme that is meant to be extended and alteread. Not really an argument to go the GPL route (not that you suggest it). » Posted By Andreas Nurbo On July 24, 2010 @ 7:05 AM So, someone who was in no way infringing upon WordPress copyright apart from when they were? The scolding started way before the code inclusion was discovered. And there are others doing the same as Chris but without the code copying. Are they next?
WordPress is built upon a principle of sharing and giving back. Eh no. 4 people contributed more than 50% of the patches for WP 3.0.
The GPL, designed to fight the parasitic coders who want to take and not give back, is a perfect example of that. No its not.
he has performed a great service to all of us who rely upon the continued health and evolution of WordPress. No he hasn’t. He has released a bottle of vile and fearmongering. The behavior exhibit by the WP community these past weeks is despicable. Whos the next target? The very popular plugins that are not GPL and have no reason to be? » Posted By Andreas Nurbo On July 23, 2010 @ 4:49 PM @Jeffro -
What I don’t understand is why you are for the idea of themes and plugins to have a proprietary license within an open and free environment. Why shouldn’t I be? It seems to be the most correct interpretation if you disregard ideological arguments. And its the devs choice. If devs want release as GPL it is their right as is the propriety way.
From my perspective, you’ve been fighting for the rights of developers to license their work however they please, regardless of the license the platform they are building on or around has. Why is that or am I missing the boat? If you lock back in history I argued with Chip and thought JS, CSS etc needed to be GPL also. Have also refused to develop stuff for clients that wouldn’t comply with the GPL because I wanted to be on the same level as the WP community.
I don’t care about all the mumbo jumbo and all the legal crap in every other post. If you just license your stuff under the GPL just like the platform your building on top of, then there are no problems. Do as we say or else. There is no problem seen from a law perspective only from a “spirit” perspective.
Why go against the grain when you can go with the flow where everyone is happy. Because if you don’t we will bully you until you do? I’m perfectly happy with the numerous of plugins that ain’t GPL. » Posted By Andreas Nurbo On July 23, 2010 @ 5:27 AM @Andreas Nurbo - » Posted By Andreas Nurbo On July 23, 2010 @ 5:08 AM Jeffro this post is biased and uninformed. You have written excellent stuff in the past but this is a new low. It should never have been posted in the first place.
It’s evident by this tweet that he simply doesn’t ‘get it‘ and most likely never will because ego or something else blinds the man from reality. Do you get it Jeff? Do you understand the difference between actually using GPL code and calling functions? If not read Chips excellent post on the subject. Heck you can do a comparison post between those for the GPL inheritance and Chips. I would venture to say that Chips will kick the other ones butts.
What I don’t like is the simple fact that it’s just not right, to create a piece of work that ties into a free and open platform with millions of users and it’s licensed in a way that takes away the very freedoms users of that software have been granted thanks to the GPL license. It is a perfectly fine thing to do according to the license but it is faux pas. This obsession with the “spirit” of the GPL needs to stop. It has nothing to do with the license. The GPL has nothing to do with freedom either. And if you value freedom etc you should learn about the MIT and 2,3 clause BSD licenses. There you have freedom. Real freedom.
It’s aggravating to me to think that going against the GPL within the WordPress community makes any kind of business sense at all but if you develop a decent product, have great marketing along with good support and a naive userbase who doesn’t know jack about licenses and the freedoms granted with the GPL, I guess you can get by for awhile. Not only are you showing a lack of understanding of the subject you are basically condescending to Thesis users. Jeff you don’t understand the license either are you naive and don’t know jack also? And you are using a GPL theme? » Posted By Andreas Nurbo On July 23, 2010 @ 3:49 AM Progress Report On A/B Testing Plugin There are A/B open source projects out there why not just go with one of those instead? » Posted By Andreas Nurbo On July 6, 2010 @ 4:59 PM Automatically Correcting The WordPress Mistake @redwall_hp – Apple is new improved Microsoft. Just as evil but with a good looking package. Well Google is evil also without package just hype. “We didn’t know we were collecting data from unprotected wireless connections”(sic) @Ipstenu – I wrote force correct. Still it should have been in the spell checker. Now its more like Word changing it when you print the document. » Posted By Andreas Nurbo On July 6, 2010 @ 4:56 PM I don’t get why they did it and I think it comes down to an attitude problem within the developer group. There are bunch of stuff that basically comes down to principles of you should not do that. Can you ever think Microsoft would force correct Microsoft in Word for example? » Posted By Andreas Nurbo On July 6, 2010 @ 4:08 PM SFGate On The White Screen Of Death White screen of death is due to the enormous stupidity of the PHP engine. » Posted By Andreas Nurbo On June 20, 2010 @ 6:08 AM WordPress Weekly And The 100th Episode Wohoo good stuff Jeff. And congratz on the upcoming 100th episode. » Posted By Andreas Nurbo On June 4, 2010 @ 6:12 PM Interesting Tidbits From The Keynote Ugh creative artwork project? Really? Is this some sort of I don’t want to be computer geek I want to be an artist instead? Gah do what all tweens do release a YouTube video of you singing, don’t make code into art. Its not art and never will be. Release cycles and plugins. I mostly curious about the 10-15 core plugins idea that he talked about. I know Jane seems to want core themes as well. I’m totally a lost in this whole core plugin/theme stuff. Last part I have no idea of where the stats comes from. Most likely not from the callback. Hard to see who makes money of WP using those stats =). Wouldn’t say there are 80% that makes money of WP. Those numbers seems very very strange. » Posted By Andreas Nurbo On May 6, 2010 @ 9:48 AM WordPress Dev Chat For 4-29-10 Will be interesting to hear whats wrong with jQuery. Its pretty much standard nowadays. » Posted By Andreas Nurbo On May 1, 2010 @ 10:12 AM Who Has Contributed To 3.0 So Far? Wohoo I’m in that cloud. Will need to get more active but is busy with other stuff =). » Posted By Andreas Nurbo On May 1, 2010 @ 10:12 AM WPWeekly Episode 94 – Commercial Themes It was an really good wp weekly. I would venture to say the best ever. It was informative, fun, relaxed, and mostly to the point. Had some trouble following a long every now and then. I know Cory Millers voice but thats from watching ithemes.tv for the rest I have no clue who is talking when. Jake did an really good job. Like donnacha, says you two make a good team. It was not that unexpected that Matt popped in but it became a little abrupt with the transitions. Don’t let the stardom blind you guys. Hope Matt will join in the end of the plugin discussion also next Saturday. Or perhaps in the third session. Themes has gotten attention and approval from the top for some time, its time for plugins to get the same treatment. We have all seen the whimsical remarks on plugin commercialization in the past. » Posted By Andreas Nurbo On April 4, 2010 @ 5:35 PM Cuba And The Goal Of WordPress @donnacha | WordSkill – He most likely had a an idea and a goal. No one embarks on that without a goal. And a bunch of types, a paperweight and paper is also not that very complex. The paper is complex to make though but he didn’t invent the paper. » Posted By Andreas Nurbo On April 3, 2010 @ 12:57 PM Like I commented in the thread. Goals are better than mission statements. WP consists of v nvr of code contributors, x nbr of idea makers, y nbr of actual code comitters. z nbr of final decision makers. » Posted By Andreas Nurbo On April 3, 2010 @ 9:30 AM They make it more complicated than it has to be. » Posted By Andreas Nurbo On March 25, 2010 @ 4:43 PM Spell Check Is My Ultimate Crutch Not being a native English speaker I find spell and grammar checks to be an necessity. » Posted By Andreas Nurbo On March 11, 2010 @ 4:09 PM Big Congratulations To Ian Stewart Congrats for Ian. Really like his theme stuff. But I’m curious about the while theme team stuff and if it will have anything to do with wp.org. » Posted By Andreas Nurbo On March 4, 2010 @ 9:32 AM Brad has used A LOT of themes it seems. I’m only familiar with WOO themes. Brad have you got any experience using Elastic? =) » Posted By Andreas Nurbo On February 25, 2010 @ 9:08 AM WPWeekly Episode 89 – Interview With Brad Williams Good interview. I for one had totally missed the Professional WordPress book so that was great to learn about. Sounds like a better choice for me than the WP Bible. » Posted By Andreas Nurbo On February 24, 2010 @ 2:37 PM @Jeffro -Ive read his post and the comments even commented. Marks answer is bullcrap and I don’t buy it at all. He also doesn’t answer the question I post here. I haven’t heard a single argument pro non optional theme credits but yet that is what the directory finds acceptable. And of course its until you pass out scenarios since those who are pro have ZERO rational arguments for why its should be the way it is. It would be to many links if plugins were allowed to do it is such a crappy argument its laughable and scary at the same time since people seem to totally accept it. It also doesn’t answer why theme credits doesn’t have to be optional. » Posted By Andreas Nurbo On February 19, 2010 @ 6:03 PM My stand is clear. Frontend credits should be optional regardless of how they are written HTML comment or a link.
So I go back to my original question, as a plugin or theme author, how much credit do you really need? As much as the end user deem appropriate. But the more interesting question is: Why should themes be allowed have non optional credit links? » Posted By Andreas Nurbo On February 19, 2010 @ 4:06 PM What Plugin Authors Shouldn’t Do @Jeffro – I don’t think anyone expects them to host commercial plugins in the repository and there never was any intention of doing it with themes. I’m pretty sure Matt answered this in my interview with him at WordCamp New York but I can’t remember the answer right now. Your not thinking of this? Leland: Like Matt said in this interview, commercial plugins are already in the plugin repository. Akismet is the only one I can think of, although I’m sure there would be others as long as they’re 100% GPL compatible. » Posted By Andreas Nurbo On February 15, 2010 @ 2:32 PM @Jeffro – If you read what I wrote I said neither should have it on by default, so themes and plugins are treated the same. Themes don’t break by having an optional credit link, its only there for marketing purposes. » Posted By Andreas Nurbo On February 15, 2010 @ 12:40 PM Personally I don’t like the double standards with wp.org. Personally I think its all bullcrap. Neither themes or plugins should have credit links on by default. » Posted By Andreas Nurbo On February 15, 2010 @ 12:16 PMComments Posted By Andreas Nurbo
He should strive to be unbiased and impartial and report events etc. If he wants to be one sided he should write something on a about page that he most of the time goes the official party line. In Sweden newspapers declares themselves liberal, socialist etc so you can interpret the editorials accordingly.
Especially now that hes gone commercial really. To increase the brand WPTaverns value and his own reputation I think it would be beneficial to remain impartial when reporting events and then have editorial pieces where he speaks his mind. He might not get as much freebies from Matt but his own value will increase?
The WPTavern is popular and I’d like it to become even better and better since it really is a great resource most of the time.
So using a LGPL library is actually piggybacking also?
I have changed my opinion after reading more on the subject of copyright law and what other people involved with open source think and also law departments.
And its license their original work. If they use GPL sourcecode their stuff become GPL.
I came to my conclusion since it seems to be the most logical course. None of the proponents of themes are GPL have actually precented any sources for their case except the SFLC statement.
Hmm became little more heated than I’d like. I blame the 100s of mosquito bites.
Not on WPTavern anyway. The Tavern is too good for this. You have tainted your baby Jeff :(.
Why reinvent the wheel?
Also ppl have been splittesting using for example Google Websiteoptimizer for like since it was made public. I know I have. Even written a plugin that integrates directly to the TinyMCE editor. Couldnt get creation of tests from inside of WordPress to work last time I tried ages ago. Could probably make it work now.
Even Apple doesn’t force correct. That has to mean something since Apple is the new Microsoft.
I’ve never encountered a WSoD in other languages that I program with, C#, Java etc. Heck I’ve fixed numerous WSoD by copying deleting and pasting back a pluginfolder. So just because you get WSoD doesn’t mean there is even anything wrong with the code.
I’m at a party then so I’ll drink to it there.
Honestly I don’t think weird comments in the code is “fun” per sé. Up and coming devs will probably be annoyed with the confusing source code instead. Maybe the “fun” comments are suppose to alleviate that? Also Hello Dolly should be removed. Only reason its so widely activated is probably because some ppl think they have to activate it.
Libraries are never optimal in all possible cases. writing a special solution everywhere aint the way either.
37signals missions statement comment ain’t really viable in the WP case. 37 signals is a small close knit company where each individual have a good grasp of where the tools are going. They develop for themselves rather for their customers. They want to make the best tools that fulfills their own needs and requirements.
WP should not be everything for everyone. WP should have a focus point, WP should have a goal. Otherwise its just bland and nonprovocative, in other words somewhat boring.
Having a goal for WP releases is a good thing I think. It prevents arbitrary dislikes of ideas because the disliker doesn’t think WP should do that. It also could get almost everyone behind one single unified goal. If people don’t like it they can work on something else. Not fork it =). I’m saying this as a harsh critique of WP politics. But most of my critique would be pointless if WP actually took a stand instead of releasing smokescreens.
A network is made up of sites. Sites can have blogs. A blog is a feature of a site.
So it goes like this network->site->blog
If I didn’t use those I would misspell a lot. I spell perfectly fine in my own native tongue but English not so much. Then there is the intermixing of UK English and US English. Most foreigners are taught UK English and then learn US from TV and forums and you end up with a mix of sidewalks and pavements, z and s. Its somewhat confusing at times.
It gives of a vibe of everything concerning WP should have connection with either wp.org or Automattic. The core plugin stuff and now this move with themes team also perhaps.
Will be interesting to see where it goes and how it all interacts.
I had never heard of CollabPress either and it looks like a really interesting plugin.
But I do think WP has at least some flaws, he chickened out a little I think. You could tell there was issues underneath ;). Aaron was more forthcoming when he answered the same interview question.
Why is it so hard to go with all credit links must be optional standpoint?
Both theme and plugin credits should be optional.
There is no, to me, good reason why themes credit links cannot be optional. All I can think of is that they needed more designs from the start and designers are more cranky about GPL etc so to accommodate them themes were given the right to have credit links.
Jeff and others what are your best arguments?
http://wordpress.org/extend/themes/commercial/
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And what argument do you have for not having a commercial plugin section on wp.org?
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Themes get to have a “non” removable credit link. Those that do commercial themes can be listed.
Plugins have to have a optional credit link which must be off by default. We will probably never see a commercial plugin section.
There is that moronic statement that users can remove the credit link from the themes themselves.
I don’t think most can do that or know that they are allowed to. Heck even if they do it, the link will be reinstated with the next theme update.