Displaying 1 To 30 Of 103 Comments Secrets Revealed: WLTC and WPTavern Just wanted to say this is great. Jeff has made great stuff in the past and I see great stuff in the future now. » Posted By Andreas Nurbo On May 23, 2013 @ 9:22 AM Bad Behavior In The WordPress Community @Tami – “that the community and core team from WP are responsible. ” “If there truly were “credible” death threats, ” Did you read the slanderous ReadWriteWeb post? Did you read the comments? Heck Ted Clayton go psychoanalysis on him for no apparent reason. That behavior is bullcrap. Now they are discussing celts and how KJG “missrepresents” “them” or something. All because of tongue in cheek remark by KJG. Not if what KJG thinks or writes is right or wrong and why but how it does it. Anyway my last comment on this subject. Until next time. » Posted By Andreas Nurbo On January 27, 2012 @ 8:59 AM @Tami – Read again what he posted. Openly trashed? Because his business changed their go to solution because it didn’t fit their needs anymore? You can also read readwriteweb.com/enterprise/2012/01/missing-the-point-of-wordpress.php and the comments there. And you’ll see there is not so open and cuddly ppl in the WP community as well. Then we have taunts on Twitter etc. @Ted Clayton – Professional tone? On a personal blog? You would probably have a brain fart if you read WPMUs professional comments. » Posted By Andreas Nurbo On January 26, 2012 @ 3:29 AM @that girl again – I have not said anything about control the people. I am mostly talking about perception. What is tolerated and accepted and what is not. The people do it in the name of WordPress both the good and the bad. » Posted By Andreas Nurbo On January 23, 2012 @ 4:15 PM Great Jeff. This is what I want from the community leaders (Yes Jeff your one of them ;). Also great that more people speak out against the behavior in the comments. We need more people taking a stand against bullies etc. » Posted By Andreas Nurbo On January 23, 2012 @ 1:54 PM Open Source Scotland Cancelled @Greg Soper – The Scottish Open Source Awards hasn’t awarded a price since 2008 according to your website. From an outsider your reply and reaction seems more like that of Schadenfreude. Nothing stopped you from contacting OSS and offer to help out.Comments Posted By Andreas Nurbo
Really miss WP Weekly so if it can be resurrected in some form that would be great. Actually one of the very few podcasts I’ve listened to live and also interacted in the chatroom at the same time. Good old days,
“but over his over reaction to the community and vague reports of being personally threatened”
Erhm, the things started before he wrote a comment on peoples reactions.
To my recollection he has not written this. Did you just made this up?
What you are writing here is that. Its ok to threaten to kill people as long as you don’t really mean it. People actually write death threats that are not actually death threats. Does not mean that it is a ok and we should be fine with it. Personally I think we are too lenient when it comes to online behavior.
This is what people say and think in the open, posting lies for all to see. I have no problem imagining what they say behind “closed doors”.
Skip the psycho mumbo jumbo plz.
Even if you can’t do anything about it you still say things. Show support etc. When people die you say sorry for your loss. You can’t do anything about the loss but you can show compassion. There are numerous examples like that that we all practice regardless of culture.
I think its great the members of the community condemn the actions but I find it strange that the leaders does not take a firm stand against it. They find time to ridicule the post that started it all, argue against the points the post made. But to condemn the over the top negative reactions on the top that is asking to much? I call bullshit on that.
Not that I agree with talking about Jane in the same context as Mark. There was no doubt as to how Mark felt about the issue. He was clear cut he even tweeted. Jane said the DDoS attacks were “lame” then wanted to see emails. Not even a tweet. But retweeting missunderstanding of KJGs standpoint was perfectly fine. She was not alone in this.
Micheal Schinkel was one of the more known ones that actually agreed with KJG critique (if I remember correctly from the RWW comments) and argued against people using ad hominems attacks etc.
For the WP community to be open and grow in a healthy was those that don’t agree with everything WP must also be welcomed and not shunned. Arguments and not people is what is of interest. Its what people say not the people or how they say that should be ground for the debates.
Open Source is about community
like you said yourself.
» Posted By Andreas Nurbo On January 25, 2012 @ 11:36 AM
@Ted Clayton – And what are you talking about now? Can’t you stop talking in riddles and be specific. So one knows what and whom you are referring to.
» Posted By Andreas Nurbo On January 23, 2012 @ 1:28 PM
@Ted Clayton – Hard time understanding what you are actually writing about. But I’ve made an attempt to comment the interpretation I thought were the most correct one.
The fact that this episode did get an open free-for-all airing, on this & other high-profile WordPress venues, is a good reflection on WP.
Open free for all bullshit festival is a good reflection of WP? So you mean this episode showed the true nature of the WP community?
If we simplify. The ones “behind” KJG were reasonable and rational, the rest for the most part did ad hominens, straw mens and were plain irrational fanboys. The reaction was extreme for a non-event. People were shitting their pants for no reason at all.The fact that we are now visiting the debris-field for a little second-guessing, is encouraging.
Who is revisiting it? Not Jeff, not the guys over at WPCandy, not Matt, not Jane not anyone of importance really. This episode will just be forgotten just like all previous episodes and escapades of the WP community and the leadership.
There is nothing unusual or novel, in finding that strong individuals with good leadership assets, can bang off & over the rails, at times. It’s more a question of whether they can recover, get it shiny side up, and moving down the road again.
What has this got do with anything at all? Are you putting blame on KJG? Those who should be ashamed are the ones that mistreated KJG. Then comes those who has power to change the atmosphere but refuses to do that. Matt, Jane and the rest. Except Mark Jaquith he at least vocalized his condemnation.
» Posted By Andreas Nurbo On January 22, 2012 @ 1:47 PM
@Jeffro – Of course it would mean much. If people stay silent when others are misstreated you in essence support the misstreatment. That is how it has always been. If one want an open warm and welcoming community misstreatment, hatefullness and threats must be dealt with and condemned. Thats just the nature of the game. Like I wrote in a reply. If a group attacks and other people in the name of a company, org etc (unless its supported by the leadership) the company, org must condemn it. Failing to do so shows in best case indifference to how others are treated and worst case could be taken as they support the actions.
People saying what they think should not result in such a hateful response as it did this time.
Personal attacks, listing clients mocking that projects only lasted X months etc.
We have the RWW article as well. Total stupidity.@David Bisset – Dramatic blog post? For Christs sake. All he wrote was in essence “we wont be using WordPress as our main tool in my company anymore”. He even writes that he still likes it and will continue to use it personally. The drama was supplied by others.
» Posted By Andreas Nurbo On January 21, 2012 @ 5:26 AM
No frequent wptavern reader should have any doubt on how I think of this matter and the total lack of any emotional reaction from the WP leadership in support of KJG and the total condemnation of the actions people took against KJG. Except for one. Mark Jaquith. He his the only one in the core team and the WP leadership that showed any sort of moral and compassion with regards to KJG. Jane Wells response was that what happened to KJG was “lame”. And then she called people (and I think it was directed at me) troll because we criticized their lack of actual thorough condemnation. I’m a little surprised that WP Candy didn’t do an editorial on the whole thing and how this ordeal has shown the ugly side of WP fandom. You didn’t condemn it in an editorial either Jeff.
Personally I don’t like the wp community at large that much anymore. Its so cold and unfriendly when it really should be warm and open. Its like a sect more than a community.» Posted By Andreas Nurbo On January 20, 2012 @ 9:08 PM
Some Orgnizations And WordPress Just Don’t Mix
@Jane Wells – No one actually thinks the DDoS or the threats was coming from the core team. My point is that you as an organization ain’t vocal enough in the condemnation of the actions. Your outrage that fans could ever do this and damage the WP community image in such a way is limited with the basic “lame” comment.
Lame is making a caricature of Kevinjohn getting spanked with a WP logo. DDoSing his website is beyond lame. Cybercrime, cyberbullying and cyberattacks is way beyond lame but thats just me.» Posted By Andreas Nurbo On January 15, 2012 @ 7:28 PM
@Ted Clayton – When you distrust someone it is reasonable to ask yourself what he/she has to gain by lying.
» Posted By Andreas Nurbo On January 15, 2012 @ 7:01 PM
@Ipstenu – She didn’t condemn the actions obviously. Compare her words to Mark Jaquiths
@Jane Wells – My point is. You know now and you still don’t condemn it. You didn’t condemn the actions with one word. See comment by Mark. You do however show distrust. If you didn’t trust him you could have made a disclaimer. Such as “If this is what has actually happened we the WP leadership thoroughly condemn these actions. We would be very happy to help if Kevin would send the emails to us so we can take a look.”
You didn’t even bother too direct a/the reply to Kevins comment. (sic).@Ted Clayton – They are doing it in the name of WP essentially. Then it is the leaderships business. If they don’t condemn it they stand behind the actions. Its how it all works.
Your example is very bady. Its not even in a similar vain.
If a bunch of GMC fans (employees?) attacked a reviewer or GMC business owner in the name of GMC. You honestly think that GMC would just stay silent and not say a word?It would be great though if Kevin could give example of a threat to a third party. Now it seems some people think he is making the stuff up.
» Posted By Andreas Nurbo On January 15, 2012 @ 6:05 PM
@Jane Wells – WHy should he contact you? Its your users and your fans that is doing this. You (WP leadership) have consistently approved of more and more extreme behavior. Matt has tried to get people fired. Has tried to bribe people to switch from one service to another etc. You have WC participants bashing people and not criticizing ideas. Etc etc. Its escalating cant you see that?
» Posted By Andreas Nurbo On January 15, 2012 @ 5:14 PM
@Kevinjohn Gallagher – Pardon my french. What the holy fucking what are people thinking? Thats an appalling behavior. If the leaders in WP don’t go out and tries to mitigate this damaging behavior my hope for the leadership is over.
» Posted By Andreas Nurbo On January 15, 2012 @ 3:35 PM
@Emil -”Right, but it’s not owned by us, we don’t have the power to decide or to direct anything.” I don’t get it or the context.
» Posted By Andreas Nurbo On January 11, 2012 @ 7:05 PM
@Emil – What is your point?
» Posted By Andreas Nurbo On January 11, 2012 @ 4:03 PM
@Ted Clayton – Yeah. But people have their style of writing. I don’t consider his writing to be high standard essay, its just musings(?), but that doesn’t invalidate the points he makes.
People seem to react on their emotional reaction to what he writes than to what he actually wrote though.» Posted By Andreas Nurbo On January 11, 2012 @ 11:21 AM
@David Bisset -
@Ted Clayton -
@Hyder -
Jeff has interviewed him on his podcast. The latest episode, 117.» Posted By Andreas Nurbo On January 11, 2012 @ 9:43 AM
@Matt – Reread your comment again. You are diminishing and invalidating his critique/comments with him not contributing to WP core. That is what I’m referring too . That is the fanboy attitude and its the answer you get from WP leaders to silence people with ideas or critique.
» Posted By Andreas Nurbo On January 10, 2012 @ 5:40 PM
@Andrea_R -
Plugins. Every plugin requires dependency on x number of people. You say a plugin for each of the items on the list. His list has 15 items. if each correlates to a plugin that means 15 plugins, each plugin is developed by at least 1 person. That means you have to rely on 15+ different people to release bugfixes for each of the 15 plugins in a timely manner.Jane? She is the project manager? Really? k
Did test in IE? So you mean there weren’t malfunctioning menus in the Beta? Which should have been spotted before it even was a beta?@Matt – He shouldn’t have to contribute actual code. This fanboy attitude is just bad manners. Just stop doing it.
Also the only way to get WP to do what you want from start is to convince the people working for Automattic. And that is in most cases a futile endeavor.@darrinb – Lots of content does not a CMS make.
@John P. Bloch – Did you check Dev4press plugin performance table? Thats plugins written by people the community hold to high standards.
» Posted By Andreas Nurbo On January 10, 2012 @ 2:32 PM
WordPress Ink Does Not Equal WordPress Cult
Personally I find it a bit over the top but then I find most tattoos to be stupid. I’ve been using logitech stuff for years, certain brand of toilet paper and a certain brand of oatmeal. All vital for my life and business. But I won’t tattoo it on my body.
» Posted By Andreas Nurbo On December 28, 2011 @ 5:42 PM
Intriguing Interview With Matt Mullenweg By Japanese Magazine
@scribu -Jeff didn’t use the Capital P example in the context to which you are referring. So saying that the Capital P example fails is just wrong.
So, from this point of view, Capital P fails as a counter-example, since it was trivial to implement and had no back-compat implications.
In the end it did however break things for some users. It was also unnecessary and was just an egotrip on the part of Matt.
» Posted By Andreas Nurbo On December 27, 2011 @ 11:37 AM
An Idea To Help Avoid Shortcode Conflicts In Plugins
Perhaps shortcodes should have an optional prefix if there might be a clash. Another optional param on the register shortcode function. WordPress should be able to tell that the same shortcode has been registered twice and automatically activate prefix usage.
It doesn’t have to be activated from the get go but the option should be there.» Posted By Andreas Nurbo On September 2, 2011 @ 2:21 AM
What’s The Quickest Way To End A Conversation About WordPress?
@Ean Schuessler – Yeah but you can’t improve communication of the lead devs with the community or improve the transparency of the descission process by writing core patches. Do you know how many different communication areas WP has? Theres no single hub that integrates them all.
» Posted By Andreas Nurbo On August 31, 2011 @ 6:49 AM
Well patches is the answer to a bunch of suggestions. If you want to improve how the project works overall, give input on their lack of communication etc.
It all ends with “if you want to affect how things work contribute”. But contributing is pointless really if you want to change things. because those that gets the possibility to actually change things all think alike anyway. So if you want to improve the project, in a no code way, just keep your mouth shut, they don’t like critique.» Posted By Andreas Nurbo On August 30, 2011 @ 1:41 PM
Congrats. Thought you would be back, this is quicker than expected though =).
» Posted By Andreas Nurbo On June 8, 2011 @ 8:51 AM
Like Gwyer and others I too will miss the WordPress Weekly podcasts. They were different from everything else. Hope too see you team up with the other WP podcasting folks because what you did filled a spot.
We’ll welcome you back when you return which you most likely will in some form =).
» Posted By Andreas Nurbo On May 18, 2011 @ 8:59 AM
Interview With Thord Daniel Hedengren
Great interview and interesting to see what TDH is all about except for the occasional #wpse tweets.
But this last part I disagree with completly.I’m afraid the future is more commercial themes and fewer truly great free themes. This makes me sad, actually, because I think it is hurting the WordPress platform.
Commercial themes is what has really made a difference when it comes to increasing the interest in WordPress. Most free themes in the wp.org directory look terrible. There ain’t a whole lot of truly great looking free themes to choose from. There is really nothing negative about an increase in commercial themes. It won’t cause the user adoption to slow down one iota. If anything could cause a problem to the user base and more importantly the developer and business base it is the attitude and arrogance that far too often rears its ugly head among the top and in some degree within the community itself.
And I don’t really understand the animosity against commercial theme/plugin endeavors. Is TDH on the “free as in beer” band wagon? Since not even Matt goes to that extreme. Just curious.I for one hope the WP community becomes a friendlier and more open, as in welcoming of different opinions, place in 2011.
» Posted By Andreas Nurbo On March 28, 2011 @ 3:04 PM
«« Back To Stats PagePersonally I screwed up with upgrading too 3.1. I thought I had future proven everything by testing against trunk, but no I forgot one single file that preloaded certain WordPress files which broke a couple of things. #facepalm
» Posted By Andreas Nurbo On March 9, 2011 @ 7:51 AM