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		<title>By: JLeuze</title>
		<link>http://www.wptavern.com/plugin-repository-and-commercial-plugins#comment-3550</link>
		<dc:creator>JLeuze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 16:17:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dunno, Akismet seems like a non-issue.

How is it any different than a Flickr or Vimeo plugin? You can&#039;t use those without an account, and they have free and paid accounts, just like Akismet...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dunno, Akismet seems like a non-issue.</p>
<p>How is it any different than a Flickr or Vimeo plugin? You can&#8217;t use those without an account, and they have free and paid accounts, just like Akismet&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Barry</title>
		<link>http://www.wptavern.com/plugin-repository-and-commercial-plugins#comment-3549</link>
		<dc:creator>Barry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 16:16:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;As I see it, WordPress plugin authors who are worried about making money should spend less time agitating for access to the plugin repository&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Agree entirely. I&#039;ve not put a plugin in the repository, or updated any that are already there for a while. Have no intention of putting any plugins in there at any point in the future. To be honest, thinking about it, I haven&#039;t actually downloaded a plugin from there for, well close on a year now.

&lt;blockquote&gt;If you had capitalized upon that spotlight by releasing any sort of plugin within, say, a year, I have no doubt that you would be making a good living from it now, instead of being written off as vapourware.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Strange that nobody has noticed that when someone reminds me of that link, I tend to go and work on some other projects for a bit before coming back and scrapping what I had and starting from scratch. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>As I see it, WordPress plugin authors who are worried about making money should spend less time agitating for access to the plugin repository</p></blockquote>
<p>Agree entirely. I&#8217;ve not put a plugin in the repository, or updated any that are already there for a while. Have no intention of putting any plugins in there at any point in the future. To be honest, thinking about it, I haven&#8217;t actually downloaded a plugin from there for, well close on a year now.</p>
<blockquote><p>If you had capitalized upon that spotlight by releasing any sort of plugin within, say, a year, I have no doubt that you would be making a good living from it now, instead of being written off as vapourware.</p></blockquote>
<p>Strange that nobody has noticed that when someone reminds me of that link, I tend to go and work on some other projects for a bit before coming back and scrapping what I had and starting from scratch. :)</p>
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		<title>By: that girl again</title>
		<link>http://www.wptavern.com/plugin-repository-and-commercial-plugins#comment-3548</link>
		<dc:creator>that girl again</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 16:06:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, still no plugin equivalent to http://wordpress.org/extend/themes/commercial and a definite &#039;no&#039; to it happening at any time in the future?

If I were a plugin developer I&#039;d be pretty pissed that theme developers were getting special treatment, but then given the shoddy way theme developers have been treated in the past it&#039;s swings and roundabouts, really.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, still no plugin equivalent to <a href="http://wordpress.org/extend/themes/commercial" rel="nofollow">http://wordpress.org/extend/themes/commercial</a> and a definite &#8216;no&#8217; to it happening at any time in the future?</p>
<p>If I were a plugin developer I&#8217;d be pretty pissed that theme developers were getting special treatment, but then given the shoddy way theme developers have been treated in the past it&#8217;s swings and roundabouts, really.</p>
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		<title>By: donnacha &#124; WordSkill</title>
		<link>http://www.wptavern.com/plugin-repository-and-commercial-plugins#comment-3546</link>
		<dc:creator>donnacha &#124; WordSkill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 15:55:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-3544&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Barry&lt;/a&gt; - If a developer&#039;s certainty as to the commercial viability of a project on the WordPress platform is so tenuous, he should really be considering a different platform.  I mean, if you design a WordPress plugin to do a certain thing, to address a particular market, you are getting to use a platform with hundreds of man-years invested into it for free, at zero cost to you or your intended customers.  It seems a tad petty, then, to complain that your commercial plugins cannot be listed on the site that organizes, encourages and allows that free platform to exist.

What people should respect is that the WordPress team are protecting a rare and fragile thing: an environment in which people are motivated to freely give of their time for the benefit of themselves and others.  Motivation is tricky and nothing would muddy the waters more than to include commercial plugins.

I understand that commercial plugin authors are anxious to make money but this reluctance to understand where their free WordPress meal is coming from is short-sighted.  Again, think about all you are getting from this situation.

It is also unfair to say that Matt himself is anti-business, he actively encourages it - in May 2008, he gave your StayPress project a tacit endorsement and massive exposure by linking to your &lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.clearskys.net/2008/05/14/introducing-staypress/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Introducing StayPress&lt;/a&gt; post.  If you had capitalized upon that spotlight by releasing any sort of plugin within, say, a year, I have no doubt that you would be making a good living from it now, instead of being &lt;a href=&quot;http://wordpress.org/support/topic/284716&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;written off as vapourware&lt;/a&gt;.

Property owners would be finding StayPress and buying your plugin or service, not because they&#039;ve ever heard of WordPress or have the slightest idea of what a plugin repository might be, but because they searched for a way to handle bookings.  As far as they would be concerned, the lovely WordPress dashboard they use everyday to manage their bookings would simply be part of StayPress.

The developer of Jomres, on the Joomla platform, is doing a LOT of business, charging up to £330 for his plugin, and is now actively adapting it for the WordPress platform, because he recognizes that it will be easier for his users - his users have no idea what Joomla or WordPress are, all they know is that Jomres allows them to manage their bookings.  That could have been StayPress.

As I see it, WordPress plugin authors who are worried about making money should spend less time agitating for access to the plugin repository and more time actually writing plugins, you will make plenty of money if you simply focus on getting them shipped.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-3544" rel="nofollow">Barry</a> &#8211; If a developer&#8217;s certainty as to the commercial viability of a project on the WordPress platform is so tenuous, he should really be considering a different platform.  I mean, if you design a WordPress plugin to do a certain thing, to address a particular market, you are getting to use a platform with hundreds of man-years invested into it for free, at zero cost to you or your intended customers.  It seems a tad petty, then, to complain that your commercial plugins cannot be listed on the site that organizes, encourages and allows that free platform to exist.</p>
<p>What people should respect is that the WordPress team are protecting a rare and fragile thing: an environment in which people are motivated to freely give of their time for the benefit of themselves and others.  Motivation is tricky and nothing would muddy the waters more than to include commercial plugins.</p>
<p>I understand that commercial plugin authors are anxious to make money but this reluctance to understand where their free WordPress meal is coming from is short-sighted.  Again, think about all you are getting from this situation.</p>
<p>It is also unfair to say that Matt himself is anti-business, he actively encourages it &#8211; in May 2008, he gave your StayPress project a tacit endorsement and massive exposure by linking to your <a href="http://blog.clearskys.net/2008/05/14/introducing-staypress/" rel="nofollow">Introducing StayPress</a> post.  If you had capitalized upon that spotlight by releasing any sort of plugin within, say, a year, I have no doubt that you would be making a good living from it now, instead of being <a href="http://wordpress.org/support/topic/284716" rel="nofollow">written off as vapourware</a>.</p>
<p>Property owners would be finding StayPress and buying your plugin or service, not because they&#8217;ve ever heard of WordPress or have the slightest idea of what a plugin repository might be, but because they searched for a way to handle bookings.  As far as they would be concerned, the lovely WordPress dashboard they use everyday to manage their bookings would simply be part of StayPress.</p>
<p>The developer of Jomres, on the Joomla platform, is doing a LOT of business, charging up to £330 for his plugin, and is now actively adapting it for the WordPress platform, because he recognizes that it will be easier for his users &#8211; his users have no idea what Joomla or WordPress are, all they know is that Jomres allows them to manage their bookings.  That could have been StayPress.</p>
<p>As I see it, WordPress plugin authors who are worried about making money should spend less time agitating for access to the plugin repository and more time actually writing plugins, you will make plenty of money if you simply focus on getting them shipped.</p>
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		<title>By: donnacha &#124; WordSkill</title>
		<link>http://www.wptavern.com/plugin-repository-and-commercial-plugins#comment-3545</link>
		<dc:creator>donnacha &#124; WordSkill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 15:12:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Akismet is probably the perfect example of a free plugin.

If I remember correctly, almost everyone uses it, fully-featured, for free but if you have a massive site and subject the service to unusually high usage, you pay a few dollars, but far less than it would cost you to police your own comments.

Again, Akismet is one of the things that has allowed WordPress to bloom, to everyone&#039;s advantage, and now people are complaining about it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Akismet is probably the perfect example of a free plugin.</p>
<p>If I remember correctly, almost everyone uses it, fully-featured, for free but if you have a massive site and subject the service to unusually high usage, you pay a few dollars, but far less than it would cost you to police your own comments.</p>
<p>Again, Akismet is one of the things that has allowed WordPress to bloom, to everyone&#8217;s advantage, and now people are complaining about it?</p>
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		<title>By: Barry</title>
		<link>http://www.wptavern.com/plugin-repository-and-commercial-plugins#comment-3544</link>
		<dc:creator>Barry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 15:08:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@donnacha - Funny or not, I think unclear rules (and &quot;the spirit&quot; isn&#039;t a rule) make people think again about the platform and whether they should bother spending time developing and releasing projects, free or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@donnacha &#8211; Funny or not, I think unclear rules (and &#8220;the spirit&#8221; isn&#8217;t a rule) make people think again about the platform and whether they should bother spending time developing and releasing projects, free or not.</p>
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		<title>By: donnacha &#124; WordSkill</title>
		<link>http://www.wptavern.com/plugin-repository-and-commercial-plugins#comment-3543</link>
		<dc:creator>donnacha &#124; WordSkill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 15:03:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is pretty funny that people who make their living standing on the shoulders of all those who have freely contributed to the WordPress project over the years, people whose businesses would not exist without WordPress, now complain that it is anti-business.

Everyone should take a long, hard look at the pay-for-play mess that other CMS eco-systems have descended into because of the dominance of commercial plugins.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is pretty funny that people who make their living standing on the shoulders of all those who have freely contributed to the WordPress project over the years, people whose businesses would not exist without WordPress, now complain that it is anti-business.</p>
<p>Everyone should take a long, hard look at the pay-for-play mess that other CMS eco-systems have descended into because of the dominance of commercial plugins.</p>
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		<title>By: Barry</title>
		<link>http://www.wptavern.com/plugin-repository-and-commercial-plugins#comment-3542</link>
		<dc:creator>Barry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 14:21:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-3541&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Benjamin&lt;/a&gt; -Sorry, I thought I was only getting emails from replies, turns out I&#039;m getting them for all comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-3541" rel="nofollow">Benjamin</a> -Sorry, I thought I was only getting emails from replies, turns out I&#8217;m getting them for all comments.</p>
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		<title>By: Benjamin</title>
		<link>http://www.wptavern.com/plugin-repository-and-commercial-plugins#comment-3541</link>
		<dc:creator>Benjamin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 14:17:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-3540&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Barry&lt;/a&gt; - The &quot;free&quot;dom comment wasn&#039;t directed to you.  It harkens back to the big debate we all had several months ago about GPL themes.... Especially the big debate we had at WordCamp MidAtlantic... yeah, you know who you are.  :)  (Though it was a very spirited debate, it was tons of fun... but the quantity of beers probably contributed.)

Now it would be easy enough to not have Akismet show up on the website, but but have it update through the control panel.  That would be a simple issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-3540" rel="nofollow">Barry</a> &#8211; The &#8220;free&#8221;dom comment wasn&#8217;t directed to you.  It harkens back to the big debate we all had several months ago about GPL themes&#8230;. Especially the big debate we had at WordCamp MidAtlantic&#8230; yeah, you know who you are.  :)  (Though it was a very spirited debate, it was tons of fun&#8230; but the quantity of beers probably contributed.)</p>
<p>Now it would be easy enough to not have Akismet show up on the website, but but have it update through the control panel.  That would be a simple issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Barry</title>
		<link>http://www.wptavern.com/plugin-repository-and-commercial-plugins#comment-3540</link>
		<dc:creator>Barry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 14:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because then they wouldn&#039;t get update notifications. I think you&#039;re reading my comment from the opposite direction that it is intended. I&#039;m not a &quot;free&quot;dom person. 100% the opposite. 

I just don&#039;t like double standards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because then they wouldn&#8217;t get update notifications. I think you&#8217;re reading my comment from the opposite direction that it is intended. I&#8217;m not a &#8220;free&#8221;dom person. 100% the opposite. </p>
<p>I just don&#8217;t like double standards.</p>
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