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		<title>By: Open Source vs. Open Enough (to trap you inside): The WordPress/Thesis Theme Conflict &#171; NanoWeek</title>
		<link>http://www.wptavern.com/how-to-screw-up-your-image#comment-8674</link>
		<dc:creator>Open Source vs. Open Enough (to trap you inside): The WordPress/Thesis Theme Conflict &#171; NanoWeek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jul 2010 21:47:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] you have not been following this recent WordPress/Thesis debate, it first started on Twitter between Matt and Chris  3)   RT @copyblogger: @photomatt You better watch it Matt. We invited you to sue us to settle the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] you have not been following this recent WordPress/Thesis debate, it first started on Twitter between Matt and Chris  3)   RT @copyblogger: @photomatt You better watch it Matt. We invited you to sue us to settle the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Gayle</title>
		<link>http://www.wptavern.com/how-to-screw-up-your-image#comment-8590</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Gayle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jul 2010 23:59:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-8586&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ken&lt;/a&gt; -

Function calls aren&#039;t governed under GPL rules, else ALL computer software would run into the statement you made there. All software makes function calls to the software below it, making it &lt;em&gt;dependent&lt;/em&gt; on the code, but NOT derivative.

In the Galoob vs. Nintendo court case, the courts made that point very explicitly clear:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Some time ago, for example, computer companies began marketing spell-checkers that operate within existing word processors by signalling the writer when a word is misspelled. These applications, as well as countless others, could not be produced and marketed if courts were to conclude that the word processor and spell-checker combination is a derivative work based on the word processor alone.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-8586" rel="nofollow">Ken</a> -</p>
<p>Function calls aren&#8217;t governed under GPL rules, else ALL computer software would run into the statement you made there. All software makes function calls to the software below it, making it <em>dependent</em> on the code, but NOT derivative.</p>
<p>In the Galoob vs. Nintendo court case, the courts made that point very explicitly clear:</p>
<blockquote><p>Some time ago, for example, computer companies began marketing spell-checkers that operate within existing word processors by signalling the writer when a word is misspelled. These applications, as well as countless others, could not be produced and marketed if courts were to conclude that the word processor and spell-checker combination is a derivative work based on the word processor alone.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Dan Gayle</title>
		<link>http://www.wptavern.com/how-to-screw-up-your-image#comment-8589</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Gayle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jul 2010 23:47:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1078&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Jacob Santos&lt;/a&gt; -
&lt;blockquote&gt;products dependent on the software must also be GPL&lt;/blockquote&gt;

GPL covers &quot;derived from&quot; NOT &quot;dependent upon&quot;, which is where this entire mess starts.

@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1146&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Chip Bennet&lt;/a&gt; -
&lt;blockquote&gt;
The Linux-Firefox analogy is completely non sequitur, and in no way applies to WordPress and WordPress themes.

A better example would be Ubuntu and its various derivatives. A non-GPL package can run on either distro, but because Ubuntu is GPLed, so too must any of its derivatives be GPLed. 

Firefox isn’t an editorial revision of, annotation to, elaboration upon, or other modification of Linux. Firefox doesn’t depend upon Linux to exist or to run. It clearly isn’t a derivative work of Linux.

Ubuntu Netbook Remix, on the other hand, clearly is a derivative work of Ubuntu.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Your analogy here is worse than the Firefox/Linux analogy. Thesis isn&#039;t WordPress re-wrapped and bundled as a separate application, as in the case of a Linux distribution derived from Ubuntu.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-1078" rel="nofollow">Jacob Santos</a> -</p>
<blockquote><p>products dependent on the software must also be GPL</p></blockquote>
<p>GPL covers &#8220;derived from&#8221; NOT &#8220;dependent upon&#8221;, which is where this entire mess starts.</p>
<p>@<a href="#comment-1146" rel="nofollow">Chip Bennet</a> -</p>
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The Linux-Firefox analogy is completely non sequitur, and in no way applies to WordPress and WordPress themes.</p>
<p>A better example would be Ubuntu and its various derivatives. A non-GPL package can run on either distro, but because Ubuntu is GPLed, so too must any of its derivatives be GPLed. </p>
<p>Firefox isn’t an editorial revision of, annotation to, elaboration upon, or other modification of Linux. Firefox doesn’t depend upon Linux to exist or to run. It clearly isn’t a derivative work of Linux.</p>
<p>Ubuntu Netbook Remix, on the other hand, clearly is a derivative work of Ubuntu.</p></blockquote>
<p>Your analogy here is worse than the Firefox/Linux analogy. Thesis isn&#8217;t WordPress re-wrapped and bundled as a separate application, as in the case of a Linux distribution derived from Ubuntu.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
		<link>http://www.wptavern.com/how-to-screw-up-your-image#comment-8587</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jul 2010 19:54:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You also don&#039;t need to legally register to have legal protections (although it helps), you just have to use it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You also don&#8217;t need to legally register to have legal protections (although it helps), you just have to use it.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
		<link>http://www.wptavern.com/how-to-screw-up-your-image#comment-8586</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jul 2010 19:43:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If any portion of Thesis is derived from WordPress (WP functions), the whole of it (WP functions + extensions) is GPL because it&#039;s a combined single program.

And if it&#039;s GPL, then the GPL license is granted from the original (WordPress) and not from Thesis. Now, infringing on CSS, TM and/or images is different, but I don&#039;t think Chris has a case for infringement on code, as the licensed code doesn&#039;t originate with him.

But it looks like this is a case of style cloning, not code copying. In which case, Chris is a douche, but it has nothing to do with the GPL. Any theme explicitly attempting to copy the &quot;look and feel&quot; of popular news sites or of sites like facebook, twitter or is probably violating copyright if not TM.

[P.S. You can get protection (copyright, TM, etc.) on &quot;look and feel&quot;. It&#039;s more established and understood in copyright law then anything related to css/html or code. I believe the measure is you can&#039;t make something look so like a competitor as to cause a potential misidentification. Something so generic as a framework though shouldn&#039;t fall under this.]

I find myself agreeing almost entirely with Chip for a change :), but if the output matches exactly, and the code different, see &quot;look n feel&quot; infringement above.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If any portion of Thesis is derived from WordPress (WP functions), the whole of it (WP functions + extensions) is GPL because it&#8217;s a combined single program.</p>
<p>And if it&#8217;s GPL, then the GPL license is granted from the original (WordPress) and not from Thesis. Now, infringing on CSS, TM and/or images is different, but I don&#8217;t think Chris has a case for infringement on code, as the licensed code doesn&#8217;t originate with him.</p>
<p>But it looks like this is a case of style cloning, not code copying. In which case, Chris is a douche, but it has nothing to do with the GPL. Any theme explicitly attempting to copy the &#8220;look and feel&#8221; of popular news sites or of sites like facebook, twitter or is probably violating copyright if not TM.</p>
<p>[P.S. You can get protection (copyright, TM, etc.) on "look and feel". It's more established and understood in copyright law then anything related to css/html or code. I believe the measure is you can't make something look so like a competitor as to cause a potential misidentification. Something so generic as a framework though shouldn't fall under this.]</p>
<p>I find myself agreeing almost entirely with Chip for a change :), but if the output matches exactly, and the code different, see &#8220;look n feel&#8221; infringement above.)</p>
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		<title>By: Thesis vs. Frugal vs. Headway — Friction Marketer</title>
		<link>http://www.wptavern.com/how-to-screw-up-your-image#comment-5349</link>
		<dc:creator>Thesis vs. Frugal vs. Headway — Friction Marketer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 19:40:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] was not entirely without note.  Thesis creators Chris Pearson and Brian Clark ended up trading litigious-laden Twitter  barbs with Matt Mullenweg (of Wordpress) over the use (or abuse) of the open source platform.  (Remember [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] was not entirely without note.  Thesis creators Chris Pearson and Brian Clark ended up trading litigious-laden Twitter  barbs with Matt Mullenweg (of WordPress) over the use (or abuse) of the open source platform.  (Remember [...]</p>
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		<title>By: WordPress Themes are GPL and Chris Pearson still acting like a bully &#187; Mark Finch Thoughts</title>
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		<dc:creator>WordPress Themes are GPL and Chris Pearson still acting like a bully &#187; Mark Finch Thoughts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 07:47:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] appears that even after the outrage generated over his last aggressive comments Chris Pearson continues to act like a bully on an interview with [...]</description>
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		<title>By: WordCast 53: The Twitter Wars &#124; WordCast</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 04:39:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: WordCast 53: The Twitter Wars &#124; Kym Huynh</title>
		<link>http://www.wptavern.com/how-to-screw-up-your-image#comment-1164</link>
		<dc:creator>WordCast 53: The Twitter Wars &#124; Kym Huynh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 04:43:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Twitter Fight Between WordPress and Chris Pearson (Thesis)? [...]</description>
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		<title>By: WordCast 53: The Twitter Wars &#124; WordCast - The web's best podcast on WordPress and blogging</title>
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		<dc:creator>WordCast 53: The Twitter Wars &#124; WordCast - The web's best podcast on WordPress and blogging</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] Twitter Fight Between WordPress and Chris Pearson (Thesis)? [...]</description>
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