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		<title>By: On the matter of value &#124; One Fine Jay</title>
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		<dc:creator>On the matter of value &#124; One Fine Jay</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Vernessa</title>
		<link>http://www.wptavern.com/how-low-is-too-low#comment-4594</link>
		<dc:creator>Vernessa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 22:57:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeffo - You sure picked a real conversation piece this time! Thanks for drawing us in. Thanks!

Though not a developer, I&#039;m now a power user, who started using WP around the time it became a &quot;real&quot; number.  I loved it so much in it&#039;s early incarnations, I was willing to stick it out through the various growing pains.  Being a DIY type, the more I tinkered with it, the more it taught me.  Because of WordPress, I learned to edit and change things writen in PHP, how to modify layouts using CSS, etc., which has benefited me across several disciplines.    
  
@Ron Hager I&#039;ve been around quite a while, too, since those lovely DOS days. Though I loved to muck around under the hood, most of my clients did not.  I maintained a dual training focus: for those who wanted to dive in and get dirty, I taught them as much as they wanted to know, effectively working myself out of a job with them.  For those who wanted to remain protected from the &quot;1s and 0s&quot;, from the crypic-ness of DOS-based programs, I did everything for them, and fast introduced them to the graphical windows when it arrived.

Though that seems like so much history, the story is the same for WordPress, and other popular applications.  WP has created a cross-section of grateful, knowledgable users who will always lend a  helping hand to to fellow WP users, whether they are just learning or digging around under the hood.

@Regina 

&lt;blockquote&gt;I’m happy that upgrades and installations can be relatively easy — it gives me a chance to concentrate on the more complex stuff which is what keeps me interested.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yes!  Even being a power user, and someone who sets up WP for others, I have to agree.  Tasks that took forever to do -- or were just plain mundane and aggravating -- have become so easy, I almost feel guilty.  And it is so rewarding to see a client&#039;s enthusiasm as he participates in building his own site.  As he gains confidence in mastering WP, I&#039;ll get less support calls -- and a &quot;newbie&quot; moves up the ranks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeffo &#8211; You sure picked a real conversation piece this time! Thanks for drawing us in. Thanks!</p>
<p>Though not a developer, I&#8217;m now a power user, who started using WP around the time it became a &#8220;real&#8221; number.  I loved it so much in it&#8217;s early incarnations, I was willing to stick it out through the various growing pains.  Being a DIY type, the more I tinkered with it, the more it taught me.  Because of WordPress, I learned to edit and change things writen in PHP, how to modify layouts using CSS, etc., which has benefited me across several disciplines.    </p>
<p>@Ron Hager I&#8217;ve been around quite a while, too, since those lovely DOS days. Though I loved to muck around under the hood, most of my clients did not.  I maintained a dual training focus: for those who wanted to dive in and get dirty, I taught them as much as they wanted to know, effectively working myself out of a job with them.  For those who wanted to remain protected from the &#8220;1s and 0s&#8221;, from the crypic-ness of DOS-based programs, I did everything for them, and fast introduced them to the graphical windows when it arrived.</p>
<p>Though that seems like so much history, the story is the same for WordPress, and other popular applications.  WP has created a cross-section of grateful, knowledgable users who will always lend a  helping hand to to fellow WP users, whether they are just learning or digging around under the hood.</p>
<p>@Regina </p>
<blockquote><p>I’m happy that upgrades and installations can be relatively easy — it gives me a chance to concentrate on the more complex stuff which is what keeps me interested.
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<p>Yes!  Even being a power user, and someone who sets up WP for others, I have to agree.  Tasks that took forever to do &#8212; or were just plain mundane and aggravating &#8212; have become so easy, I almost feel guilty.  And it is so rewarding to see a client&#8217;s enthusiasm as he participates in building his own site.  As he gains confidence in mastering WP, I&#8217;ll get less support calls &#8212; and a &#8220;newbie&#8221; moves up the ranks.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://www.wptavern.com/how-low-is-too-low#comment-4588</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 18:34:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-4544&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Paul&lt;/a&gt; - thank you for saying that. I think a lot of us were thinking it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-4544" rel="nofollow">Paul</a> &#8211; thank you for saying that. I think a lot of us were thinking it.</p>
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		<title>By: Nile</title>
		<link>http://www.wptavern.com/how-low-is-too-low#comment-4580</link>
		<dc:creator>Nile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 22:42:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Paul - AMEN! What you said.

I imagine this partly a response to &lt;a href=&quot;http://ma.tt/2009/10/matt-qa-wordpress-open-source/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Matt Mullenweg&#039;s Oct 7th, 2009 Q&amp;A on WordPress and Open Source&lt;/a&gt;


Before WordPress, it was b2, and it was also offered on Fantastico Deluxe. Lots of features have come into play along with the knowledge to do something with WordPress other than use it as a blog platform. 

I am against excluding people, especially when the product is open source. The problem is people who want to learn versus people who do not. Let them use it their own way as it is not anyone&#039;s else job to tell others what to do or not to do.If you met Matt, he is pretty happy about where WordPress is and there are more things to come, especially by what I remember him talking about at WordCamp Chicago. In fact there was talk about combining WordPress and WordPress mu. I even asked about them during the ending session where he opened the floor to questions, from a webhost&#039;s perspective about the chance that even other products like bbpress and others might become one-click installs.

Of course, there will be some degeneration and possibly sites reminiscent of the Geocities days, but hey... people are interested in at least trying something new.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Paul &#8211; AMEN! What you said.</p>
<p>I imagine this partly a response to <a href="http://ma.tt/2009/10/matt-qa-wordpress-open-source/" rel="nofollow">Matt Mullenweg&#8217;s Oct 7th, 2009 Q&amp;A on WordPress and Open Source</a></p>
<p>Before WordPress, it was b2, and it was also offered on Fantastico Deluxe. Lots of features have come into play along with the knowledge to do something with WordPress other than use it as a blog platform. </p>
<p>I am against excluding people, especially when the product is open source. The problem is people who want to learn versus people who do not. Let them use it their own way as it is not anyone&#8217;s else job to tell others what to do or not to do.If you met Matt, he is pretty happy about where WordPress is and there are more things to come, especially by what I remember him talking about at WordCamp Chicago. In fact there was talk about combining WordPress and WordPress mu. I even asked about them during the ending session where he opened the floor to questions, from a webhost&#8217;s perspective about the chance that even other products like bbpress and others might become one-click installs.</p>
<p>Of course, there will be some degeneration and possibly sites reminiscent of the Geocities days, but hey&#8230; people are interested in at least trying something new.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeffro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 05:02:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-4564&quot; rel=&quot;reply&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Bill Robbins&lt;/a&gt; - I can understand how you and others could read into the post as me being or feeling elitist but I assure you, that is not the case. I simply gave this scenario some thought and decided to publish those thoughts to see what other people thought. Thanks to the great feedback from those who have commented, it&#039;s easy to see why this scenario will never happen. The last thing I want is a group of elitist in WordPress. Those people do the project and community no good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-4564" rel="reply" rel="nofollow">Bill Robbins</a> &#8211; I can understand how you and others could read into the post as me being or feeling elitist but I assure you, that is not the case. I simply gave this scenario some thought and decided to publish those thoughts to see what other people thought. Thanks to the great feedback from those who have commented, it&#8217;s easy to see why this scenario will never happen. The last thing I want is a group of elitist in WordPress. Those people do the project and community no good.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Robbins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Robbins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 03:16:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Instead of being angry and feeling elitist, let&#039;s see this for what it is--an opportunity.  WordPress is going to grow because it is free, well-known and easy to try.  That creates a perfect environment for people to offer services to help these new users with their sites by selling themes, plugins and support.   Like @Toni said above, many companies make quite a bit of money through this.  If it wasn&#039;t for people needing WordPress products and consulting services, I&#039;d have to find something else to do for a living.

So while some may see the &quot;lowering of the bar&quot; as creating a nuisance, I just see opportunity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Instead of being angry and feeling elitist, let&#8217;s see this for what it is&#8211;an opportunity.  WordPress is going to grow because it is free, well-known and easy to try.  That creates a perfect environment for people to offer services to help these new users with their sites by selling themes, plugins and support.   Like @Toni said above, many companies make quite a bit of money through this.  If it wasn&#8217;t for people needing WordPress products and consulting services, I&#8217;d have to find something else to do for a living.</p>
<p>So while some may see the &#8220;lowering of the bar&#8221; as creating a nuisance, I just see opportunity.</p>
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		<title>By: Toni</title>
		<link>http://www.wptavern.com/how-low-is-too-low#comment-4559</link>
		<dc:creator>Toni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:18:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-4477&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ben Cook&lt;/a&gt; - I can&#039;t speak for WordPress.org. From an Automattic perspective I can tell you that it never was and never will be our goal to own or profit from WordPress.org, and that we&#039;ve worked hard to balance the potential conflicts of interest between Automattic and WordPress.org. While we don&#039;t always get it right, I think the overall results have been very positive. On the commercial side, dozens of successful businesses have formed around WordPress (Automattic, Crowd Favorite, StudioPress, etc). On the community side, the number of contributors, plugins, downloads, etc have gone up ten fold in the last 3 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-4477" rel="nofollow">Ben Cook</a> &#8211; I can&#8217;t speak for WordPress.org. From an Automattic perspective I can tell you that it never was and never will be our goal to own or profit from WordPress.org, and that we&#8217;ve worked hard to balance the potential conflicts of interest between Automattic and WordPress.org. While we don&#8217;t always get it right, I think the overall results have been very positive. On the commercial side, dozens of successful businesses have formed around WordPress (Automattic, Crowd Favorite, StudioPress, etc). On the community side, the number of contributors, plugins, downloads, etc have gone up ten fold in the last 3 years.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 08:13:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just today listened to the WP Weekly episode about SimplePie, and the discussion towards the end about the low bar for entry left a bad taste in my mouth.  There were some pretty harsh comments made, and one even referring to the &quot;dumbest users&quot; being catered to by the new WP.com image widget.  Quite a bit deal seemed to be made out of such a little thing.

I feel that there is a part of the WP community that is building an unhealthy resentment against the mainstream adoption of WordPress.  For anyone who would prefer to continue working with a complex, difficult CMS with a much higher entry bar I suggest looking towards the products that well and truly cater to that already (Drupal, Joomla etc).  Or just get over it and keep using WordPress the way you like to and not worry about someone else getting a new easy to use feature to play with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just today listened to the WP Weekly episode about SimplePie, and the discussion towards the end about the low bar for entry left a bad taste in my mouth.  There were some pretty harsh comments made, and one even referring to the &#8220;dumbest users&#8221; being catered to by the new WP.com image widget.  Quite a bit deal seemed to be made out of such a little thing.</p>
<p>I feel that there is a part of the WP community that is building an unhealthy resentment against the mainstream adoption of WordPress.  For anyone who would prefer to continue working with a complex, difficult CMS with a much higher entry bar I suggest looking towards the products that well and truly cater to that already (Drupal, Joomla etc).  Or just get over it and keep using WordPress the way you like to and not worry about someone else getting a new easy to use feature to play with.</p>
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		<title>By: Barry</title>
		<link>http://www.wptavern.com/how-low-is-too-low#comment-4508</link>
		<dc:creator>Barry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 23:01:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-4486&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ben Cook&lt;/a&gt; - Automattic also own both of the registered trademarks for the WordPress name</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-4486" rel="nofollow">Ben Cook</a> &#8211; Automattic also own both of the registered trademarks for the WordPress name</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Cook</title>
		<link>http://www.wptavern.com/how-low-is-too-low#comment-4492</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Cook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 19:29:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-4485&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Dave Moyer&lt;/a&gt; - I was using those ludicrous examples of getting a check or publishing a post to illustrate how ridiculous the claim that WordPress.org is a community run site.

Automattic employees maintain control at all levels of WordPress.org and if you don&#039;t think they&#039;ll always make decisions in Automattic&#039;s best interest then I&#039;ve got a bridge I&#039;d like to sell you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-4485" rel="nofollow">Dave Moyer</a> &#8211; I was using those ludicrous examples of getting a check or publishing a post to illustrate how ridiculous the claim that WordPress.org is a community run site.</p>
<p>Automattic employees maintain control at all levels of WordPress.org and if you don&#8217;t think they&#8217;ll always make decisions in Automattic&#8217;s best interest then I&#8217;ve got a bridge I&#8217;d like to sell you.</p>
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