E-commerce Options

[andreasnrb]

This is part of what makes me nervous. Though, admittedly, Shopp has both a "single" and a "developer" price, too.

Yep but that is for automatic updates.

[andrea_r]

I didn't know you could use it without the theme... and we're building the site on Genesis. I'll take a peek at this one. Thanks, Andrea.

No prob. It's pretty simplified & it's been a bit since I played with it, but I still have a copy. Not sure if it'll do what you want, but worth looking at.

[danmilward]

This is part of what makes me nervous. Though, admittedly, Shopp has both a "single" and a "developer" price, too.

True. But I will revise the text at some point.

Andreas, You always have something to say on this topic don't you. I'm really looking forward to seeing your slew of WordPress GPL plugins hitting the streets. I'll be sure to use them and recommend them, of course providing they are GPL ;)

I'm sorry you think that the GPL requires us to say that we're GPL on the website. However the GPL thinks that we just have to include the license. WP e-Commerce is fully GP. Next time we have a spare mo to revise the text on our website we'll most definitely hold your thoughts in mind. I appreciate your comments.

In the mean time.

> Download the WP e-Commerce Plugin

[danmilward]

Yep but that is for automatic updates.

But whats your point?

[andreasnrb]

Just to make it clear I'm talking about the premium upgrade plugins that is available for purchare at getshopped.org.

Andreas, You always have something to say on this topic don't you. I'm really looking forward to seeing your slew of WordPress GPL plugins hitting the streets. I'll be sure to use them and recommend them, of course providing they are GPL ;)

I got one GPL plugin out there and I got a bunch more coming :p. (The one that is out in the open really needs to be rewritten though). I don't care if plugins are GPL or not really. Just that if you say you are GPL it should be obvious and one should not setup restrictions on what the end user can do if those restrictions violates the GPL. Your premium upgrades does that.

I'm sorry you think that the GPL requires us to say that we're GPL on the website.

I didn't write that.

However the GPL thinks that we just have to include the license. WP e-Commerce is fully GP. Next time we have a spare mo to revise the text on our website we'll most definitely hold your thoughts in mind. I appreciate your comments.

I'm not talking about wp-e-commerce I'm talking about the premium upgrades for wp-e-commerce.

But whats your point?

My point is that Shopp does not setup restrictions on who can use the plugin, it fully complies with the GPL it says it has. What you buy is a service in the form of support and updates (and the plugin it self ofcourse if you haven't gotten it from somewhere else).

[Jeffro]

As for the single or multi site license text that was quoted earlier, there is a big difference between specifying that the license restricts the usage to one website versus support only allowed for one domain attributed to that license. In this case, the wording is not clear as to whether the Single license means you can only use it on one site/domain or if it means you only get support for one site/domain.

This is the same confusion that arises from looking at the license pages of GravityForms. On the surface, the wording makes it seem like they are restricting the use of the plugin based on which license you buy but in actuality, it's specifying how you will be able to get support.

Tommy, both Shopp and WP-E Commerce are GPL compliant. No need to worry about that.

[andreasnrb]

When you buy Shopp its say updates. I thought it said support and updates.

Choose Single-Site for automatic updates to a single website installation of Shopp. Or, select Developer for updates to an unlimited number of Shopp-powered websites.

Don't think there is really any confusion on Gravity forms. Their comparison cheat clearly state what you buy. Automatic updates and support.

[danmilward]

I'll look into the wording - probably sooner rather then later :)

Hope you guys are all well and good!!

[benhuson]

I've been using WP e-Commerce for a while now and I have to say I love the way the system's evolving. In the last year the system has come on leaps an bounds and in my opinion is the most flexible ecommerce solution out there for WordPress. I did try out Shoppe for a while last year but I didn't get on with that - I couldn't configure it to work how I wanted.

WP e-Commerce is packed full of hooks and filters (great for developers) and since introducing a proper template engine a few versions ago it is starting to compete with other mainstream ecommerce solutions, not just other WordPress plugins. It is currently lacking some of the more advanced functionality you'd expect from a big ecommerce system but I know Dan and the team are working on this which will make it a serious contender.

[chipbennett]

Oh, goody! Another GPL debate!

First, let me say: I've never had need for an e-commerce solution, but if I did, WP e-Commerce looks like a great plugin!

Kia Ora. Hey guys :)

1) Opps I forgot that to be GPL you have to say you're GPL

I don't think it's a requirement, but it is certainly helpful for those considering downloading/using your plugin.

...other stuff...
4) I havent publicly said it before but in my opinion if a plugin is purely $$$$ then its token GPL.... maybe not legally speaking. But at least in my heart.

What's in your heart contradicts the explicit (and quite clear) wording of the GPL, which states that one may charge money for GPL-licensed code.

Personally, (and this isn't directed at you) I think that anyone who tries to strongarm, guilt, or otherwise coerce developers into giving their code away for free, rather than exercising their explicit GPL right to charge for their code (if they so desire), is giving only "token" support to the GPL.

Of course you have to. If you don't say you are GPL then you aint.
Currently potential buyers have no clue that what they are buying is GPL

• Non proffit organisations may use the Single Blogger License.
• The Business License is for any organisation that has more than one staff member and individuals building e-commerce sites for clients that have more than one staff member - currently this is the only difference.

This ain't exactly inline with the GPL.

I agree.

As written, the wording at least implies that use of the Gold Cart premium upgrade is restricted, according to the license selected. The select-license-and-pay-before-download setup further strengthens this implication. If that is the intent of the dual-license option, then, in fact, that dual-license is not compatible with the GPL.

If, on the other hand, the dual licenses are for support only, then the licenses are not necessarily incompatible with the GPL. But if that's the case, then the wording really needs to be updated, because the current wording pretty clearly says "may use".

Also, if the licenses are for support only, then should one really be required to pay for support merely to download the code? (I'm sure this question could apply to many commercial plugins/themes/etc.)

True. But I will revise the text at some point.

Good to hear.

Andreas, You always have something to say on this topic don't you. I'm really looking forward to seeing your slew of WordPress GPL plugins hitting the streets. I'll be sure to use them and recommend them, of course providing they are GPL ;)

I really don't like the attitude - and it is all-too prevalent in the WordPress community - that only those who have contributed code have a right to express their opinions or to have a voice. The sarcasm implied in this comment belies this attitude.

In fact, whether Andreas (or anyone else) has contributed even a single line of code is entirely irrelevant. The validity of his criticism and questions is based on the content of that criticism and those questions, not on Andreas' stature.

It is comments such as this one that tend to inflame discussions regarding GPL. Perhaps we could all agree to limit the scope of such discussions to the ideas themselves, and to make every effort to avoid ad hominem?