Shackling a free market: WordPress canonical plugins

[andreasnrb]

Heres a clip about canonical plugins from WordCamp NYC 2009. Its onlt 2 minutes and doesn't really resemble current proposal.
http://wordpress.tv/2009/11/15/john-...plugins-nyc09/

[Ryan]

What specifically doesn't resemble the current proposal?

Other than obviously the issue of "canonical" vs "core".

[Jeffro]

I too have the same question. What was talked about in that video clip that does not match the current proposal?

[andreasnrb]

He talks about reviewing plugins and picking one that will be "recommended" by the wordpress community.

You honestly think that is the same as the current path?

Also why wasn't any of this made public before. They could have made a post about it back in November but no everything is openly discussed somewhere.

[Ryan]

They were still working out how everything would work and the best way to approach it back then.

Also why wasn't any of this made public before.

They were just discussing stuff. Do you think the dev. team should make everything they discuss in private, public? I like how things are being discussed in "public" more these days, rather than just in IRC or in private, but they can't go making everything public. If I had to log every conversation about WordPress development I have, I would never have time to actually get anything done.

They could have made a post about it back in November but no everything is openly discussed somewhere.

I'm guessing there's a typo in there as that sentence doesn't make sense to me.

[andreasnrb]

They were still working out how everything would work and the best way to approach it back then.

Back then. That was November last year. Official post was made on Dec 8 without any public input. You can read what people think on Facebook also http://www.facebook.com/note.php?not...41124&comments

They were just discussing stuff. Do you think the dev. team should make everything they discuss in private, public? I like how things are being discussed in "public" more these days, rather than just in IRC or in private, but they can't go making everything public. If I had to log every conversation about WordPress development I have, I would never have time to actually get anything done.

It was on a WordCamp. It wasn't decided by a bunch of older white men in a sauna. There is now a video of a guy asking people to send input to Mark Jaquith. You think he only spoke to the devs? Canonical plugins has been discussed on a number of WordCamps apparently. Haven't you read the threads or my inputs or comments on Janes posts?
http://www.wptavern.com/core-plugins...t#comment-5466

Clearly this issue deserves more discussion, and the concept of how we move toward a system of canonical plugins and/or core “packages” intended for different use cases (CMS, photoblog, portfolio, etc) will be a big topic in the months ahead.

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They could have made a post about it back in November, but no, everything is openly discussed, somewhere.

Can you understand it now?

[Ryan]

That makes a whole bunch more sense :)

I don't think it's reasonable at all to expect the devs to make public everything they discuss at WordCamps.


EDIT:

I wrote something here discussing something I thought Matt said on the WordPress Foundation site, but now I can't find it along with the comments you (andreasnrb) left. Am I looking in the wrong place perhaps? It was this post I thought he replied to us on ... http://wordpressfoundation.org/2010/...ff-the-ground/

[andreasnrb]

Check page 1 of the comments I suppose =).
http://wordpressfoundation.org/2010/...ge-1/#comments
I comment under my full name Andreas Nurbo.

[Ryan]

Ah, I see now :) I didn't see the "Older comments" link.

I can't even remember what I was going to say now.

I think it was something to do with WordPress being clearly run by Matt, rather than community managed and so I'm not so bothered by stuff like this happening now. I used to find it odd that the WP community wasn't consulted heavily before moving ahead with stuff like this. But I hadn't realised until recently that Matt intends to maintain complete control over the project rather than moving it towards a community managed setup. I seem to have misread the direction of the project previously; probably because I was reading too much into comments by those in the community rather than Matt himself and others more closely connected to the project.

[andreasnrb]

Yeah but problem is that on the one hand people in upper management says its all public its all easy to find etc and then the actual reality.
If they just made it clear that Matt is the one that decides the direction and everyone else somewhat comply with it then I wouldn't have a problem with it either.
I just want people to be open and honest really. Don't think thats to much to ask for in a open source project like WP that really relies a lot on its contributors.