Comments on: Core Plugins? Never Gonna Happen!

By: Core Plugins - Bless Or Curse - my perspective, Plugins, WordPress, Core, Plugin, This - WP Engineer

Mon, 09 Feb 2009 18:42:53 +0000

[...] theme. Andrew, an experienced and avid developer, submitted the issue in a guest contribution on WP Tavern and brings some important points to [...]

By: tekzt

tekzt — Sun, 08 Feb 2009 20:32:11 +0000

I´m actually against core plugins. keep the extra functionality to the community. If it´s really a good plugin that is needed badly, someone will pick it up and continue to develop it even if the original author stops development. It already happened many times.

WordPress IS an end user orientated platform and you should never underestimate the unknowingness of the end user. Some people just don´t know things that are basics for people taking part in those discussions. If it doesn´t work out of the box like intended, they will stop using it.

By: Frank

Frank — Sun, 08 Feb 2009 12:23:13 +0000

Now i ahve write my german blogpost also in english language. Thanks for read.

By: Gunnar

Gunnar — Sat, 07 Feb 2009 11:39:52 +0000

@Idealien – that implies that they have a “clean” core to start with…

By: miklb

miklb — Fri, 06 Feb 2009 23:58:22 +0000

Can anyone say Gravatar?

By: fk:Blog - Fabians Weblog

fk:Blog - Fabians Weblog — Fri, 06 Feb 2009 09:02:23 +0000

Diskussion: Core-Plugins…

Frank Bueltge zeigt seine sicht zum Aktuellen Thema “WordPress-Core-Plugin” und auch ich möchte zu diesem Thema mehr, als ein Kommentar bei Frank, dazu sagen.
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By: Frank

Frank — Fri, 06 Feb 2009 08:18:01 +0000

Hello and thanks for the post and the comments to the idea of core plugins. I have write a post over this point, actually only in german - later in english. I write you and i hope youcan read the nice comments on my blog over this idea, maybe you can translate with a service?

By: Chip Bennett

Chip Bennett — Thu, 05 Feb 2009 22:47:31 +0000

@Lloyd: How many (better: what percentage of) WP.org users will ever develop their own plugins? I’ll be generous, and say 1% (not sure of the aggregate number of users to which that percentage equates).

Of the remaining 99% of WP.org users, how many/what percentage find the *functionality* of Hello Dolly useful/beneficial? I would find it hard to believe that the number would even be measurable.

Nonetheless, let’s be really, really generous, and say that 5% of all WP.org users would find Hello Dolly beneficial, either as a developer template or in its function to end users.

Now, I have to ask:

What *other* plugins are useful to *more* than 5% of all WP.org users?

Please note, I really don’t have a dog in this hunt. I’m comfortable with installing/uninstalling plugins, so whether some functionality gets moved into core, or some plugins become designated as “core” plugins, or the plugin situation remains exactly as it is now – no matter what happens, I can make my blog work the way I want it to work.

By: donnacha | WordSkill

donnacha | WordSkill — Thu, 05 Feb 2009 16:16:44 +0000

I couldn’t agree more on Hello Dolly – it adds no useful functionality and, for the vast majority of users, simply adds another step to the installation: having to remove it.

It’s not about its size (actually 4kb on the disk) but the unnecessary cluttering of the plugin page. If developers need “an example file on how to develop plugins”, I’d suggest they download it along with the necessary documentation.

I appreciate a light-hearted gag as much as anyone, but this joke isn’t funny anymore.

By: Chip Bennett

Chip Bennett — Thu, 05 Feb 2009 11:14:01 +0000

@Ryan: So, Hello Dolly is no longer included in a fresh install of WP.org? If true, I’m glad to see they removed it. It has been there every time I’ve installed from latest.zip (as opposed to upgrading e.g. via WPAU).

For my purposes (and I daresay, for *most* WP users), Hello Dolly *is* useless. It adds nothing meaningful whatsoever to my blogging experience. That it is only 2.17 Kb is irrelevant; those 2.17 Kb are used needlessly – thus, they are wasted.

The claim that Hello Dolly acts as an example plugin for developers is also a specious argument with respect to justifying its inclusion in the default install. The vast majority of WP.org users are *not* developers, and have no need of an “example” plugin.

All that said, my main point remains: certain plugins *are* included in the default install of WP.org. Such plugins are, for all intents and purposes, “core” plugins.